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« on: November 22, 2011, 12:34:21 pm » |
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why did this atg get ambush?
i mean its a freaking awesome first strike boni, much better then ap on ami atgs + its for free
snipers and mortars cant shoot it
it should get removed or priced tbh
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RikiRude
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 12:38:11 pm » |
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i thought they took the first shot bonus out long ago?
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 12:39:06 pm » |
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i thought they took the first shot bonus out long ago?
i mean it the way: oh tank lalalalla boooooooooooooooooom wtf didnt see the atg to avoid it, booooooooooooom secound shot while moving out of the range |
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Hicks58
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 12:41:14 pm » |
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Because the Pak isn't as good as the ATG when they are placed side by side without any abilities.
Pak does 115 damage, the 57mm does 150 damage.
Also, Pak's perform worse against most Allied target compared to the 57mm against most Axis targets penetration-wise.
Oddly enough, Pak's fare alot better than 57mm's when it comes to Axis against Axis or Allies against Allies - But most stats are wonky as all hell when a faction's weapon is used against it's own units.
Finally, you get ONE shot of first strike ambush. You get TWO shots of AP rounds.
Snipers and mortars can do fine against them. Go sniff them out with a Jeep, look for random green cover in open areas for no reason or use a sturdy tank as bait.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 12:43:24 pm » |
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Finally, you get ONE shot of first strike ambush. You get TWO shots of AP rounds.
two shots tbh if the tank tries to escape + ap can u leave if atg gets decrewed + ambush not priced |
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 12:44:48 pm » |
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Hicks58
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 12:45:23 pm » |
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If the enemy gets a second shot off then the only person you have to blame is yourself.
Also, read and understand the entirety of my post, rather than picking out the one part that you think suits you.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011, 12:45:49 pm » |
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If the enemy gets a second shot off then the only person you have to blame is yourself.
Also, read and understand the entirety of my post, rather than picking out the one part that you think suits you.
okay so why not price ambush for pak? |
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 12:52:41 pm » |
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pak is priced with ambush in mind.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011, 12:55:27 pm » |
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pak is priced with ambush in mind.
u mean the gun costs 10mun more? ami : 380mp 140mun wher: 380 150mun |
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Hicks58
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2011, 12:58:22 pm » |
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If the Pak didn't have ambush it'd likely cost around 110-120 munitions due to it's combat performance being a good cut less than the 57mm.
That means in actuality, your paying around 30-40 munitions for Ambush.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2011, 01:05:10 pm » |
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pak has higher rof than 57mm, also first shot strike does more damage than normal and always penetrates. Also if wehr picks up pak again, it can cloak again, if u dont use 57mm ap rounds and lose crew, its gone. So i think pak price should go up at least another 10 mu because of that.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2011, 01:34:10 pm » |
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pak has higher rof than 57mm, also first shot strike does more damage than normal and always penetrates. Also if wehr picks up pak again, it can cloak again, if u dont use 57mm ap rounds and lose crew, its gone. So i think pak price should go up at least another 10 mu because of that.
nono, ambush should be priced as an ability for 10 to 20 mun and u gonna loose it if u recrew atg |
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Mister Schmidt
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2011, 01:38:02 pm » |
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Pak always has been fine, no need to change.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2011, 01:40:35 pm » |
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nono, ambush should be priced as an ability for 10 to 20 mun and u gonna loose it if u recrew atg
Go go mirror balancing! Hans, the Pak is fine. If you've had a bad game or two against it, get over it. If your struggling against it, change your tactics. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2011, 01:47:10 pm » |
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2011, 01:48:51 pm » |
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Go go mirror balancing!
Hans, the Pak is fine. If you've had a bad game or two against it, get over it. If your struggling against it, change your tactics.
lol i played with the pak and i felt it too powerful but okay just smash my idea, next time just say well no its fine |
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Mister Schmidt
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2011, 01:49:18 pm » |
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That mod looks cool tbh
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2011, 06:00:16 am » |
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Because the Pak isn't as good as the ATG when they are placed side by side without any abilities.
Pak does 115 damage, the 57mm does 150 damage.
By that logic Volks K98 > MG42. 10 dmg vs 7 dmg :OOO. You are welcome to go dig out my post where I prove a non-cloaked pak has 1% less DPS than an AP-rounded 57mm(penetration not-withstanding). |
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2011, 06:28:47 am » |
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If it wasn't for paks, my Wehr companies would have fuck all for decent AT. Schreks are piss shit garbage, and fausts are only good against players who suck with their armor.
Paks USED to have 3 shots in ambush. And didn't uncloak after the first shot. They also used to be able to move while cloaked regardless of doctrine.
And you still think it's OP?
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