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[aeroblade56]

After the recent Wipe i have discovered a few thing that made it hard not for me alone but for alot of the allied players let me explain.

USA have no Handheld AT without a Tier1 or T2 unlock.Yes they do have Sticky grenades which are great for taking out heavier tanks and those pesky odd objects that want to ram Infantry. But it has limited very limited range and cost a rough 60 munitions.

Wehrmarcht Can have a schrek and a panzer faust without any Tier unlock. Even The Panzer elite Get Schreks without a Tier unlock.

i think This is a problem with the recent -200 munitions Allies feel the pinch a bit more Since the BAR cost 80 Munitions and the Axis can pick a MP40 Or the G43 costing 60-65 Munitions allowing for more evenly distributed Munitions.

This is hard Think of it this way. When i go Armor doctrine against any axis but Panzer elite in particular i need that Handheld AT do fend of armored cars as they are fast enough  to circle and keep the sticky at range. or maybe to charge a marder and mortar Haltrack i would use some Handheld.

There are of course obvious solutions to the situation but on paper it still remains that USA must pay a Tier unlock to get any handheld and axis do not, Plain and simple.

[Scotzmen]

Edit: No Unrelated pics please

[Demon767]

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learn to make a proper balance thread shithead.

[aeroblade56]

Dear Demon if you can not say anything nice i will ask you to please leave this thread constructive criticism but please do not call me shit head thank you.

[Demon767]

no.

in regards to your first un-edited post, you deserved to be called a shithead. and i will call you a shithead, if you simply cant follow the guidelines, or are you to stupid to realise that and wouldnt have provoked me stating the obvious, shithead.

[aeroblade56]

no.

in regards to your first un-edited post, you deserved to be called a shithead. and i will call you a shithead, if you simply cant follow the guidelines, or are you to stupid to realise that and wouldnt have provoked me stating the obvious, shithead.

Well demon the guidelines did state be polite. I do not wish any ill will towards you or anyone i would just like a honest answer. So please if you can not give a decent answer then please go somewhere else.

[Ahnungsloser]

5. Politeness

This is a very simple rule, if you can't be polite or keep a neutral position with everybody in this forum then we don't need you, we will not waste our time with you, we have lost enough good players thanks to this.

You're such a fake guy, pretending to be good one but can't follow a simple rule. 

[Zamochit]

agree here, 3 of the 4 docs get handheld at without an unlock.

brits get piats
both axis get schrecks

the only consolation is that US get rangers and airborne but ofc thats a t1 unlock and both cost a lot in pool and muni.

[chefarzt]

ACtually ull choose these unlocks anyway so whats the fuzz about? Id rather complain about the reduced muni. Thats a real kick in the nuts especially for airborne. But then again the resource system sucked from day 1 on.....

[tank130]

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Which you have clearly violated here:

learn to make a proper balance thread shithead.

And here:

no.

in regards to your first un-edited post, you deserved to be called a shithead. and i will call you a shithead, if you simply cant follow the guidelines, or are you to stupid to realise that and wouldnt have provoked me stating the obvious, shithead.

So both of you kindly knock it off or we will have chose other then make an official report and future bans. Play nice in the sandbox please.

[aeroblade56]

Yes we can purchase rangers, or we can purchase Airborne  that is still a Tier unlock that is wasted on what? what other reason would you pick Airborne? and airborne of course also have to unlock a Tier for the LMG so obviously at the time you unlocked them you wanted handheld at.

[Hicks58]

Inb4 AMPM says Rifles, ATG's and M10's are all you need.

[AmPM]

Inb4 AMPM says Rifles, ATG's and M10's are all you need.

Doing it wrong, its Rifles, ATGs and M18's. Besides Hicks, while boring you do know that is all you need. My level 9 allied companies look just like my level 1 allied companies and both are perfectly effective.

[tank130]

Doing it wrong, its Rifles, ATGs and M18's. Besides Hicks, while boring you do know that is all you need. My level 9 allied companies look just like my level 1 allied companies and both are perfectly effective.

Well.... there you have it folks. We will just delete whatever units AmPm does not have in his company and call it a day.

Who knew the answer to balance could be so easy......

[AmPM]

It's a balanced build.

Balance does not equal fun though.

What you want is variety and balance, which sadly, does not happen in EIRR. The MU drop hurts Infantry and Medium armor users over Heavy Armor users. It also makes Fu based AT more desirable and efficient. Focus on TDs and AI infantry and support weapons for Allies and you should be fine.

Remember, every tank you have can kill a P4 easy, Sherman Upgun will destroy it, M10/M18 will do it without taking a hit and are cheaper. So all you really need to counter is the occasional Panther, and 2 57mm should more than handle that.

[TheVolskinator]

So basically, U.S. players get a fisted in the dick because they HAVE to purchase upgrades on their infantry and mediums to be even mildly effective--where fuel-based Axis companies have to deal with 1 less ATG or sniper or several less BARs?

[PonySlaystation]

Sherman-upgun is not a medium tank?

[NightRain]

USA gets 2 Bars less, 1x 57mm with AP rounds less.

What AmPm says is unfortunately true.

Riflemen, 57mm, M18/M10s. That's all you ever need and everything, no matter what you build will have this as a standard template. Should it have rangers it will have M10s/M18s and 57mms, riflemen are just lesser in number. Only difference to this will be a Pershing company...and Sherman company- hmm do they even excist anymore?

[tank130]

Riflemen, 57mm, M18/M10s. That's all you ever need and everything, no matter what you build will have this as a standard template.

As a Wher player, what are your options without unlocks?

Volks/faust = arguably comparable to rifle/sticky in regards to AT
Grens/shrek
Pak 38
STuG
Panther

I don't think that really looks out of whack. It's true the axis have more handheld AT (by one), but I would rather have M10 or M18 over a STuG TBH

[skaffa]

EIR is what you make it. Always has been. Always will be.