Mainline Infantry Balance Thread

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[Tymathee]

So, since the PzGren thread was closed, let's continue it here.

Mainline infantry are infantry you can use without doc unlock.

Please keep discussion to undoc'd units, save doc ability balance for another thread, this is only for the units themselvs + upgrades.

KCH, Assault Grens and Tank busters are excluded
(unless u want to talk about moving them into upgrades for Panzer Grenadiers)

US - Rifles
CW - Tommy's (and US Hat Infantry)
WM - Volksgrenadiers, Grenadiers, KCH
PE - Panzergrenadiers

[SophiaT1991]

Mainline inf is fine until doc buffs get involved.

[Spartan_Marine88]

So, since the PzGren thread was closed, let's continue it here.

Yes, lets continue a closed thread because that won't just get closed too.

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[hans]

rifles are dying like flies against any axis mainline infantry. am i right??

[EIRRMod]

Yes, lets continue a closed thread because that won't just get closed too.

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Erm it was closed by me... cos uhm.... I derailed it...

Back to topic at hand!

[TheVolskinator]

Rifles are actually golden when they get decent doctrine buffs + vet. And you can have a shit metric ton of them. The only imbalance that I can think of is Rifles/Rangers vs. PGs.

[hans]

oh sry, read mainline infantry without doc buffs.

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my fault, with doc buffs even rofles do decent, agreed

[RikiRude]

I think the problem lies here.

US could use some main line infantry comparable to grens.

Brits have the problem that their tommies are god awful unless you have a LT or have them upgraded. but it's pretty lame that for your tommies to be anything useful you need to have extra micro with the LT.

WM is fine, with all the choices and upgrades between volks, grens, KCH, they are set.

Don't play PE, but PGs dont seem all that great.

[AmPM]

I think the problem lies here.

US could use some main line infantry comparable to grens.

Brits have the problem that their tommies are god awful unless you have a LT or have them upgraded. but it's pretty lame that for your tommies to be anything useful you need to have extra micro with the LT.

WM is fine, with all the choices and upgrades between volks, grens, KCH, they are set.

Don't play PE, but PGs dont seem all that great.

There is no balance issue other than PG tbh.

Riflemen are fantastic, cheap, effective, flexible.

Volks are the same.

Grens are alright, but they cost a lot more to equip.

Tommies are good, nice and tough, cheap effective upgrades and officers.

PG just lack in the punch department...

[Tymathee]

i think another issue is that pzgrens were made to be spammable and super multi purpose and eir takes both of those away by making them 5 pop and they can't repair or have inherent build ability.

[Demon767]

i think another issue is that pzgrens were made to be spammable and super multi purpose and eir takes both of those away by making them 5 pop and they can't repair or have inherent build ability.

+1

[RikiRude]

would be interesting to lower their pop to 3, make them 3 man squads, but give them a nerfed group zeal. make them about 130mp.

that way if you have 2 squads together it would be like having a 6 man gren squad.

make it so the group zeal caps at 3 squads. this would make them more like their coh style.

or it could be a horrible idea, but i thought it would be interesting.

[AmPM]

Or, 4 man squads for 4 pop...

[8thRifleRegiment]

i think the secret to all of this is,

Dont play PE, anything you get on PE you can get on wehr but better, without all the loldisadvantages versus the simplest of counters

[Tymathee]

Or, 4 man squads for 4 pop...

you mean back to how they were when i thought it was a dumb change in the first place? great idea!

[aeroblade56]

I decided not to offer my expert balance opinion

[smurfORnot]

so vs us infantry and brits,both squad with no upgrades how will pgrens fare? Will they loose every time or can they win?

[Smokaz]

Only tommies and pgs need to be looked at

[aeroblade56]

Tommies, the ultimate recrew squads. cant do fuck all without a LT which is a piece of paper that gets raped by pumas haha.

[Tymathee]

make lt buff scatter as well so it affects rifle nades and piats.