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[ick312]

The FJ sniper is the most effective sniper in the game, by far. Speed, survivability, increased range, great ROF and the plethora of cover available at all times makes it a fantastically powerful unit for its cost.

The commando sniper, on the other hand, is neither available cross doctrine or as a reward unit. It is significantly less survivable and has no cloak. It, in contrast to the FJ sniper, is the easiest sniper in the game to counter snipe as you can target the man with the rifle and one-shot the squad's sniping capabilities 100% of the time.

And it goes on.

The FJ Sniper has a regular Sniper gun like the WM Sniper.
-NO BETTER RANGE
-NO BETTER RoF

He has the same speed as ALL other sniper.

It has AB Armor - 25% received Accuracy while moving - BUT Armortype regular sniper gives in general 0,75 received Accuracy WITHOUT MOVING


THE MANDO SNIPER IS DIFFERENT!!! get over it.
1. he has a spotter - 50 Sight range - so he scouts for himself.
2. 2 man are more survivable then a single - WHY, cause after a countersnipe, the 2. guy still stands. (u can retreat him) and btw. it happens often that you snipe 1 of the 2 Mando Sniper guys and the 2. countersnipes you.

[Hicks58]

And this is where you are wrong Ick.

The FSJ Sniper has something the other Snipers do not:

panzer_elite_fallschirmjager_sniper_cam o.lua

It's an ability on the unit.

It dictates that if the FSJ Sniper is in cover it gets the following:

+10 Weapon range
+10 Sight
0.5 received accuracy (When not moving whilst in cover, moving removes this)

Parking his ass in cover allows him to self spot at regular ranges (35 sight goes up to 45) and fire at staggering ranges with a spotter (60 over the standard 50)

I can't find where a RoF increase for the FSJ exists at the moment, but I have a sinking suspicion that it does exist. There is however the point that it is a flat +10 weapon range increase, meaning medium range could be going up to 35 from 25, increasing the "Golden area" (Medium range has the fastest cooldown without any loss of accuracy - Close range lets you shoot faster but you get 0.75 acc) for sniping to most infantry's standard weapon range.

There is also the point that FSJ Snipers fire in a different method from standard ones, FSJ has to hold a spot to keep firing whilst standard ones tend to bob in and out between their cloak on demand - This could skew the perception of how both units RoF works.

Only thing I can find relating to cooldown at the moment is vet 3 0.8 cooldown, but there is the possibility that I have missed something. Either way, they do feel that they fire faster than regular Snipers.

[aeroblade56]

And this is where you are wrong Ick.

The FSJ Sniper has something the other Snipers do not:

panzer_elite_fallschirmjager_sniper_cam o.lua

It's an ability on the unit.

It dictates that if the FSJ Sniper is in cover it gets the following:

+10 Weapon range
+10 Sight
0.5 received accuracy (When not moving whilst in cover, moving removes this)

Parking his ass in cover allows him to self spot at regular ranges (35 sight goes up to 45) and fire at staggering ranges with a spotter (60 over the standard 50)

I can't find where a RoF increase for the FSJ exists at the moment, but I have a sinking suspicion that it does exist. There is however the point that it is a flat +10 weapon range increase, meaning medium range could be going up to 35 from 25, increasing the "Golden area" (Medium range has the fastest cooldown without any loss of accuracy - Close range lets you shoot faster but you get 0.75 acc) for sniping to most infantry's standard weapon range.

There is also the point that FSJ Snipers fire in a different method from standard ones, FSJ has to hold a spot to keep firing whilst standard ones tend to bob in and out between their cloak on demand - This could skew the perception of how both units RoF works.

Only thing I can find relating to cooldown at the moment is vet 3 0.8 cooldown, but there is the possibility that I have missed something. Either way, they do feel that they fire faster than regular Snipers.

JUSTICE SWEET JUSTICE.

[ick312]

dear hicks,

you are right.

I am sorry and i apologize for my mistake.




and i think we all agree that these additional buffs need to go. IF  it stay a regular unit

[ick312]

JUSTICE SWEET JUSTICE.

well aero, it doesnt mean the rest of the argumentation is wrong.


And btw the thing about the received accuracy ....

[TheWindCriesMary]

Got to give Icki credit he'll argue passionately but apologize if he finds out he is wrong. +100 for that

[GelezinisVilkas]

So how are we gonna nerf the FJ sniper? Can someone post a agreed upon nerf?

[GrayWolf]

Reward unit, 245 munition.

[chefarzt]

Why not 240?

[GrayWolf]

Why not 240?

Why not 245?

[aeroblade56]

could just remove all that stupid bs and give brits snipers.

[TheWindCriesMary]

I think given all the discussion the best set of fixes is:

a) Make it Luft only
b) Keep it as a reward unit available for all axis
c) Reduce recloak speed after firing while also lengthening the recloak delay further for each successive shot (similar to recloak on traditional sniper).

[EliteGren]

It can already be countersniped everywhere outside of cover, and now you want to increase the time hes decloaked firing from cover too? That would be one short lived reward unit, he should be safe from countersnipes in cover because he's always decloaked outside of it
 
Luft only should be the only nerf happening to the FJ sniper.

[GrayWolf]

Luft only should be the only nerf happening to the FJ sniper.

+1

[aeroblade56]

It can already be countersniped everywhere outside of cover, and now you want to increase the time hes decloaked firing from cover too? That would be one short lived reward unit, he should be safe from countersnipes in cover because he's always decloaked outside of it
 
Luft only should be the only nerf happening to the FJ sniper.

So?. its not exactly like the commando sniper gets to cloak whenever it wants or at all and even smoke is at vet 1.

[CrazyWR]

Yes but it lives much longer by virtue of being 2 men.  In fact, mando sniper is the only one that regularly gets vetted up...

[Hicks58]

Commando Sniper could just do with it's smoke being shifted back to vet 0, that really shouldn't have happened and it only did because abilities were shifted to vet 1 in a broad stroke initially with tune-ups afterwards.

[aeroblade56]

with sprint on vet 1 for pgrens its incredibly stupid to actually protect a sniper sometimes.

[Hicks58]

They can still be suppressed though.

[EliteGren]

So?. its not exactly like the commando sniper gets to cloak whenever it wants or at all and even smoke is at vet 1.

Yeah let's only mention the weaknesses and leave out the strengths of the commando sniper you baboonfaced hedgepig

The FJ sniper does not have a 50% chance to keep being an effective unit after a countersnipe. And even if the sniper dies, you get to preserve the vet and not lose the unit due to the spotter. If anything it would make more sense for the FJ sniper to have a spotter, because he is supposed to be a part-time reward unit. A single man reward unit without heroic critcal is a stupid idea anyway.