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GORKHALI
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #40 on:
July 03, 2014, 06:05:12 am »
i think medium tanks shouldn't out range heavy tanks with bigger guns, tell me which allied medium tank outrange pershing.
Reward units r exceptions, as allies have more units that r more mobile medium tanks .
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XIIcorps
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #41 on:
July 03, 2014, 06:11:48 am »
Quote from: GORKHALI on July 03, 2014, 06:05:12 am
i think medium tanks shouldn't out range heavy tanks with bigger guns, tell me which allied medium tank outrange pershing.
Reward units r exceptions, as allies have more units that r more mobile medium tanks .
Medium tanks dont outrange heavy tanks.
M10 IS NOT A MEDIUM TANK, IT IS A TANK DESTROYER.
it has less HP then all mediums, and far less armor.
It makes these short comings up bu having more speed and slightly more range then its intended targets.
And IIRC the only tanks to outrange the Pershing would be CCT range buffed British mediums like the FF,Cromwell
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GORKHALI
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #42 on:
July 03, 2014, 06:23:21 am »
I don't want to argue about balance coz i am not good with numbers and stats but wat i want to say is that ,wat hicks did with tiger and pershing was awesome coz that made the opponent feel the presence of the heavy tanks, but now if u see a heavy tabks lets send 2 m10 job done.
In other words i would like to see those changes back.
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tank130
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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July 03, 2014, 08:00:19 am »
Quote from: GORKHALI on July 03, 2014, 06:23:21 am
I don't want to argue about balance coz i am not good with numbers and stats but wat i want to say is that ,wat hicks did with tiger and pershing was awesome coz that made the opponent feel the presence of the heavy tanks, but now if u see a heavy tabks lets send 2 m10 job done.
In other words i would like to see those changes back.
Gork, What you are seeing is the opponent using the appropriate counter to your heavy tanks. They are sending dedicated tank destroyers to kill your heavy tank. What did you want them to send; Cookies & Ice cream?
Those dedicated Tank Destroyers are weak as fuck and die to anything bigger then a fart. The allies need to get those tank destroyers past everything else on the field to get to your Heavy tank.
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TheWindCriesMary
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #44 on:
July 03, 2014, 08:09:27 am »
Quote from: XIIcorps on July 03, 2014, 06:11:48 am
Medium tanks dont outrange heavy tanks.
M10 IS NOT A MEDIUM TANK, IT IS A TANK DESTROYER.
it has less HP then all mediums, and far less armor.
It makes these short comings up bu having more speed and slightly more range then its intended targets.
And IIRC the only tanks to outrange the Pershing would be CCT range buffed British mediums like the FF,Cromwell
CCT doesn't increase range. Firefly has base range far better than a pershing.
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Hicks58
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #45 on:
July 03, 2014, 08:14:27 am »
Quote from: TheWindCriesMary on July 03, 2014, 08:09:27 am
CCT doesn't increase range.
I'm hoping I'm just missing out on some context here, because the alternative is that you of all people don't realise that the CCT gives +2.5 range to the units it is buffing, and a further +2.5 range at vet 2.
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XIIcorps
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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July 03, 2014, 08:29:04 am »
Quote from: TheWindCriesMary on July 03, 2014, 08:09:27 am
CCT doesn't increase range. Firefly has base range far better than a pershing.
Cmon wind your better then that.
FF base range is 55, CCT buff it goes to 57.5
Cromwell Range is 40, CCT buff it goes to 42.5
Throw Vet 2 in and youve got ATG range FF and KT range cromwells.
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TheWindCriesMary
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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July 03, 2014, 03:50:38 pm »
Quote from: XIIcorps on July 03, 2014, 08:29:04 am
Cmon wind your better then that.
FF base range is 55, CCT buff it goes to 57.5
Cromwell Range is 40, CCT buff it goes to 42.5
Throw Vet 2 in and youve got ATG range FF and KT range cromwells.
I had thought that the range buff had been removed in EiR?
If not, I'm wrong and owe you an apology.
With that being said, surely you don't feel that the Firefly without a CCT has the same or worse range than the pershing?
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XIIcorps
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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July 03, 2014, 04:33:42 pm »
Quote from: GORKHALI on July 03, 2014, 06:05:12 am
i think medium tanks shouldn't out range heavy tanks with bigger guns, tell me which allied medium tank outrange pershing.
Reward units r exceptions, as allies have more units that r more mobile medium tanks .
I was just answering this, which allied mediums have more then 40 range.
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TheWindCriesMary
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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July 03, 2014, 04:51:30 pm »
Still, the point you made isn't accurate. The panther is a medium tank that outranges the Pershing.
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GORKHALI
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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July 03, 2014, 05:00:13 pm »
Quote from: TheWindCriesMary on July 03, 2014, 04:51:30 pm
Still, the point you made isn't accurate. The panther is a medium tank that outranges the Pershing.
but u know that u can only have 2 panther in ur coy ,coz its too expensive and m10 is cheap & faster and can crush inf easily .
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Mister Schmidt
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #51 on:
July 03, 2014, 05:00:22 pm »
Panther is a heavy for the purpose of CoH/EiR
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tank130
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #52 on:
July 03, 2014, 05:09:43 pm »
Quote from: TheWindCriesMary on July 03, 2014, 04:51:30 pm
Still, the point you made isn't accurate. The panther is a medium tank that outranges the Pershing.
Panther is not a medium tank
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TheWindCriesMary
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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July 03, 2014, 05:11:52 pm »
Quote from: tank130 on July 03, 2014, 05:09:43 pm
Panther is not a medium tank
Dead wrong.
In EiR it can be declared for semantical purposes to be considered a heavy. With that being said, multiple times in EiR's past it's been agreed it was a medium (as it is in the real world and was designed for vCoH).
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XIIcorps
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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July 03, 2014, 05:18:04 pm »
Quote from: TheWindCriesMary on July 03, 2014, 04:51:30 pm
Still, the point you made isn't accurate. The panther is a medium tank that outranges the Pershing.
Eh looks like this went way over your head.
Quote from: GORKHALI on July 03, 2014, 06:05:12 am
i think medium tanks shouldn't out range heavy tanks with bigger guns,
tell me which allied medium tank outrange pershing.
Reward units r exceptions, as allies have more units that r more mobile medium tanks .
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TheWindCriesMary
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #55 on:
July 03, 2014, 05:20:54 pm »
Xrops, Let's keep it civil, shall we?
Here is what you wrote that I am interested in flagging:
Quote from: XIIcorps on July 03, 2014, 06:11:48 am
Medium tanks dont outrange heavy tanks.
M10 IS NOT A MEDIUM TANK, IT IS A TANK DESTROYER.
it has less HP then all mediums, and far less armor.
It makes these short comings up bu having more speed and slightly more range then its intended targets.
And IIRC the only tanks to outrange the Pershing would be CCT range buffed British mediums like the FF,Cromwell
There are statements in this quote that are, I believe, wrong.
As long as you're 100% clear that the statement "medium tanks don't outrange heavy tanks" isn't true (and I think you now are) then I think we can move on as that was the statement I wanted to make sure was clarified.
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XIIcorps
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #56 on:
July 03, 2014, 05:30:20 pm »
Quote from: TheWindCriesMary on July 03, 2014, 03:50:38 pm
I had thought that the range buff had been removed in EiR?
If not, I'm wrong and owe you an apology.
With that being said, surely you don't feel that the Firefly without a CCT has the same or worse range than the pershing?
No problem man.
The Firefly is in a bit of a grey area.
You have a TD gun and range on a Medium chassis with medium tank hp and stats.
Ill withdraw it from the arguement.
Cromwell buffed with a CCT is the only non reward Medium tank that outranges a Pershing by 2.5m.
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TheWindCriesMary
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #57 on:
July 03, 2014, 05:38:17 pm »
Well medium designation is done by weight versus gun, but as long as we're only talking about allied medium tanks and not medium tanks in general (aka the Panther) then I'm cool with that statement and agree.
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aeroblade56
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #58 on:
July 03, 2014, 07:25:59 pm »
i think even PQ said it was a tank destroyer and that is why he got rid of its infantry accuracy.
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tank130
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Re: [US] M10 compared against Stug
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Reply #59 on:
July 03, 2014, 07:54:05 pm »
The panther is not a medium tank
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