Commandos test (unit vs unit)

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[nikomas]

Two men actually, and nobody likes waiting for mysth you know, think I do? I've had some things I wanted to correct for a while while we've been waiting, meh... One way or another, something will happen soon. Now Chill... This kept me up for to long, I got work in 7 hours so night.

Also, brit officers might be getting changes last I checked so basing any of your balance post on the lui's being uber isn't advisable.

[GrayWolf]

Also, brit officers might be getting nuked

That's nothing new...
Making them without guards would be nice (May 2013 was their funreal, this made them first line infantry, not second, for most of the community). Also some bugs could be fixed (Like lts auras stacking), while there's no balance patch.
I hope for a big patch. REALLY BIG ONE. I think everyone is tired of waiting.

[nikomas]

Not quite sure you realize the... Anyway, please do look at the mando doctrine as a whole and think on why mandoes seem so weak compared to most elite inf doctrines. It's got a lot to do with what support you can field and the fact that mandoes, while often called tough, are pretty squishy on a tank heavy field.

Need sleep now. Talk Later.

[jackmccrack]

Special thanks to Nikomas for posting that video.

[Heartmann]

Tbh, i felt that KCH underperformed, to many times it felt as if Mandos did well, i mean the unit and pool costs there are rather imense :/

[terrapinsrock]

You know, I've refrained all this time from using any kind of personal insults against Graywolf at all with regards to balance but...

He's making it fucking difficult not to at this point.

He mis-reads my post, he uses one AI botched example in a video full of examples shooting his argument down...

Seriously. There's only so much of this I can take.

We can always give him a forum tag of "Seriously fucking retarded"............

[nikomas]

Tbh, i felt that KCH underperformed, to many times it felt as if Mandos did well, i mean the unit and pool costs there are rather imense :/

KCH don't cost that much because their weapons are super l33t, they cost that much because they're walking terminators in terms of toughness. Oaks have the same pool cost as any other assault infantry (Mandoes, Rangers and AB have 6 pop to).

What other unit (sans officers) is sniperproof AND can take tank shells to the face and walk away? Not to mention they have acces to a lot of auxillary equipment, hence their cost.

[GrayWolf]

Still the best counter for KCH is user's stupidity. Chasing infantry, just to face AI tank or trying to cap without at support. The feeling when you make oaks retreat with full eq (245 ammo), is priceless
It's also kind of annoying when they just stay behind green cover and you cannot hit them with a tank (ATGs or tank will anyway miss them 90% of the time) or advance with infantry. So you think "I'll use arty". But the first shot not always hit and even if... They're still alive. Best game stoppers ever if allies have no smoke or the map is just small.

Maybe it's  time to lock the thread huh?

[nikomas]

Probably, either way, since officers are in fact getting nerfed one way or another (as in, changed quite more to something like the def officer active ability iirc) the mandoes are going to be quite depressing after that.

But that's a stone down the road.

[GrayWolf]

Mando lt shouldn't be nerfed, that much, since he buffs only mandos. From the other point of view, he has nice ability unlocks. Double t3 (bottom and top) makes mandos better than top t4, I think.

[nikomas]

Neh, I'm quite sure mando LT can buff regular tommies to or any CW infantry for that matter, anyway, it's happening and probably getting compensated with a general enfield buff. Officers should be an option and not a requirement, I think that's the reason for it. It's been a while since those notes came up but I'm sure they still stand.

Also

BTW weren't u using fanaticism KCH? They shoot so fast lol.

Missed that yesterday but nope, no doctrines at all. I know for sure cause I can toggle all doctrines on or off when testing things (regardless of faction). So like, can toggle allied grit while on armor or W/E.

Either way, no docs, made sure of that.

[XIIcorps]

Mando lt shouldn't be nerfed, that much, since he buffs only mandos

Are you fucking retarded ?
The mando LT, is just like the regular LT except he provides Vet2 LT buffs at Vet 0.
He can be glider called, and has numerous other abilities like smoke or mark target and medkits with doctrine unlocks.

Oh gazzwulf, how have you missed the MLT+Marktarget+Tommy Bren spam alot of players were using.

The stens are ultimately crap as nikomas pointed out. I always preferred rifles over all. 6 rifles with mando Ltd and Red Devils + standard Ltd (buffs stack trololo)

Is this where you got your information from ?

[Hicks58]

except he provides Vet1 LT buffs at Vet 0.

Is that a fact?

I was under the assumption it was the vet 2 buffs that he gave off the bat.

[nikomas]

Yeah, LT/CCT buffs are vet 0 and vet 2.

[XIIcorps]

Is that a fact?

I was under the assumption it was the vet 2 buffs that he gave off the bat.

Simple typo my friend

[Mister Schmidt]

Lots of shit removed, everybody cut it out

It's getting a bit boring now