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[Unkn0wn]

They're quite hard to use, yea.
You can always make a balance thread about them if you feel they're not worth the current investment 

[RikiRude]

there was one if i remember correctly. i did the same thing, unlocked them then immediately thought, fuck that was a waste!

[Hicks58]

Tbh, they are great for ganking support teams and doing a bit of house clearing due to their uncanny ability to kill infantry in buildings when at point blank range.

Treat them as flame engineers that cant be used in smoke to be honest. Supporting, flanking or ambushing unit. Pretty piss poor at stand up combat.

[Poppi]

did both t3 US inf doc, have the acc rec reduced from 15% to 10%? or was it always 10%?

[DarkSoldierX]

im quite sure its always been 10%

[Katusha]

I don't think this was mentioned but MG34 crew can now pick up medkits!!



But they still can't be put in HT from launcher

[Mister Schmidt]

But they still can't be put in HT from launcher

We know

[Poppi]

ran a few games with the sherman 76 upgrade with reduced splash.

That thing is god awful against inf now, hardly worth even having.

Do i choose to pay 60mu for a gun that is okay against tanks and pretty bad against inf.

Or just save the money and actually kill inf with regular gun?

Since 76 has reduced usefulness why not reduce price? Even then i dont think its worth it anymore. There goes the sherman.

[AmPM]

So...you can't do everything with it anymore for a cheap upgrade?

Welcome to the P4.

[NightRain]

So...you can't do everything with it anymore for a cheap upgrade?

Welcome to the P4.

+1

[LeoPhone]

the sherman 76 still has its good accuracy vs infantry, which means it is still better than a stug vs infantry.

every time you fire there is a big chance you are gonna kill at least one man(25% of a squad). which is indeed more in line with the PIV.

[smurfORnot]

yes,I do see a  problem poppi,you dont kill 50% of the axis squads any more,while being superior to their medium tanks...yes,problem indeed 

[RikiRude]

funny thing is this is how shermans were for the longest time.

though it has been said in the past, when the upgun worked like this that the cost of the upgun is a bit too much. should be brought down imo.

[Poppi]

yes,I do see a  problem poppi,you dont kill 50% of the axis squads any more,while being superior to their medium tanks...yes,problem indeed  

Superior is a bit over the top. Now they have little chance of defending themselves against shreks. Massive nerf to shermans. If u think its fair, okay. Thought everyone was happy enough with shermans the way they were before. Never saw them spammed, too slow and expensive to and not tough enough to spam. So thought +60mu was a descent purchase for a gun that enable them to cause equal damage to a med tank while keeping the splash ability.

But coming form vCOH i thought the upgun always had less splash. So im used to it. But vCOH and EIR arent nearly the same/

[Tymathee]

So...you can't do everything with it anymore for a cheap upgrade?

Welcome to the P4.

er, p4's are great vs infantry and good vs tanks and have higher rof, cheap hmg, can buy skirts which takes off 10% dmg from tanks and dmg and penetration buffs. So different

[AmPM]

Shermans are great AI, have good gun, much better HMG, etc.

[Demon767]

cant defend against shreks? wth

[smurfORnot]

er, p4's are great vs infantry and good vs tanks and have higher rof, cheap hmg, can buy skirts which takes off 10% dmg from tanks and dmg and penetration buffs. So different

so you had sherman that could kill usually like 2 man in squad with hit easily,that is already 50% of axis more expensive squad...didnt see P4 killing usually 3 guys from allies side,while being able to win over sherman.

Thought everyone was happy enough with shermans the way they were before. Never saw them spammed, too slow and expensive to and not tough enough to spam. So thought +60mu was a descent purchase for a gun that enable them to cause equal damage to a med tank while keeping the splash ability.

1. if you think everyone was happy with shermans we can see how long you are in this mod...since axis are complaining about them for very long time,being cheaper yet more effective and stronger than P4.

2.again,if you never saw em spammed,I can see you played alot of eirr games 

3.no,60mun is to cheap for something that enables them to win over skirted p4 that also pays 60mun for skirts yet,will loose every single time to sherman,and without them he will loose even faster.


Hmm,lets make schreck grens win over bar rifleman,cuz you know,schreck is more expensive,why would grens need to loose their ai ability with schreck in squad?!

[Mysthalin]

so you had sherman that could kill usually like 2 man in squad with hit easily,that is already 50% of axis more expensive squad...didnt see P4 killing usually 3 guys from allies side,while being able to win over sherman.

There's more units in both factions than Sherman + rifles and P4 + grens, you know. The P4 is still superior in fighting rifles compared to the Sherman vs volks, and it has a better time charging down an ATG due to the P4s higher ROF(crew of ATG dies faster)

no,60mun is to cheap for something that enables them to win over skirted p4 that also pays 60mun for skirts yet,will loose every single time to sherman,and without them he will loose even faster.

Skirts are irrelevant. Skirts are there to help you shrug off manpack AT shots. Why the hell do you even bring the skirts up, at all? Your argument about skirts makes just about as much sense as somebody complaining their sticky riflemen lose to MP40 volks. Both upgrades cost 60 munitions, why do the MP40 volks stomp the sticky riflemen?!

Seriously, you would expect an upgrade designed to make a tank better SPECIFICALLY at taking on tanks to.. you know, make the tank do better against tanks. At least that's how the logic goes, afaik.

Hmm,lets make schreck grens win over bar rifleman,cuz you know,schreck is more expensive,why would grens need to loose their ai ability with schreck in squad?!

Perhaps because grenadiers even without the shrek will lose to the BAR riflemen?

Shrek grens do usually win against vanilla riflemen, by the way. It's just not a good idea to do so because you'll definitely be taking silly losses.

[spinn72]

Assault engies should get AB armour as part of a t4.
oh yeah I said it